GRIPPER /DRIFTER...ITs ALL one

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At our Club4AG Drift Day Events, we incorporate the autocross for skills in setting up cars for reducing radius oversteer sweepers, as well as gymkahna skills such as accurate 360's around set paths and side-braking maneuvers to induce oversteer when vehicle speed isn't nearly enough to make a sharp turn around.

Gymkahna - In a global (rest of the world) sense is a slightly different sport. The Autocross is more laid out in manner to make it a smooth flowing test course. A gymkahna is much fewer pylons (usually only 10 or 20) and the set path is a very constricted and technical path, repeating circles, e-brake 360's and 180's, and is more defined by "acrobatic" than a test course.

While both take very skilled talent and cars, the autocross is a much closer skill to race car driving, and it's counterpart, the gymkahna is more a stunt driving technique. Actually the basic skills needed for stunt drivers are all found in the gymkahna, it's only short of getting the car on 2 wheels or jumping them off ramps.

Drifting in essence rquired both of these types of skills to complete well.

Inducing drifts from speed and weight transfer, maintaining cornering speed and sensing delicate tire contact patch and physical forces are gained in autocrossing.

Meanwhile, handling massive oversteer angles, adjusting the oversteer velocity and angles, and ability to 'slide' a car into intended path with use of non-traditional methods, are gained in gymkhana course.

Since both autocross and gymkahana are competition against the clock, the E.T., once who has the ability to do both events well are naturally very proficient drifters.

So when one says grip vs. drift... It's not really valid comparison...because best drifters and best lap attackers are actually both.

one who can "manage" grip to maintain the highest amount of friction while inducing controlled slides where necessary, efficiently and predictably, proficient and effectively...

These are the fastest drivers, and also the BEST drifters.

(For basic example... Please don't attack me if you are fans of other drivers or for other reasons... I'm just sketching a picture for people to understand this better)

Michael Schumacher (arguably top F-1 driver at the moment, and in a sport ususally known as 'grip' style sport...) drives and sets up his car "loose" in a sense to sometimes use tires slightly past the highest adhesion levels. He uses it quite often in a race to pitch his car left and right to compensate for uneven tires, fuel loads and for other reason... That is drifting skill at work... and is effective when the car is no longer perfectly set up. Skills are there to compensate.

on the other hand, in drift events... Top drivers like Taniguchi and orido, Imamura and Ueo uses highly developed skills in contact patch management to make less abrupt movements, smoother turn-ins, and can still maintain very high oversteer angles and most of all SPEED. These are top drifters because they know how to use the tires at maximum grip, breaking them only enought to make approach angles deep without sacrificing much speed. Again a display of BOTH racing and drifting tactics.

This is why I say track events, autocross, gymkahana, and seat time are all important to making great drifters out of all of you. Because "THAT" is a trait of not only drifting...but of a true performance driver!



Moto-P
Webmaster at Club4AG

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Here's some drift competition elimination process we use at this point. We have used this sheet to determine the winners for the past March 2nd Drift Showoff and will continue to use it for future Club4AG sanctioned drifting competitions. This method was created in conjunction with several D1 drivers from Japan to simulate some of the situations that are valued in Japan's competitions.

Each driver is judged with the following criteria.

Speed of entry into a corner - and overall maintenance of that speed through the corners to be judged. (This has little to do with the power of the car as it's mostly determined by the racing line, braking point and driver's accuracy in maintaining the apex line during entry). However in small course with short straightway, power does count in terms of getting the car up to necessary speeds before the approach.

Technique - each condition of drift and how it's initiated and maintained is up to the driver and our panel of judges are extremely keen on distinguishing every aspect of what the driver does to drift. Also in the same sense, mistakes are counted toward you heavily and is the reason good drifters lost out sometimes for spins and understeer initiation at certain parts of the rated sections of the track. Consistency is the prime importance in any motorsport and one-time lucky tricks don't count much if that cannot be reproduced at will and free of mistakes. For example, Benson Hsu was graded higher than Alex Pfeiffer or Brian Norris for their simple mistakes, even when their drift looked more spectacular with power and smoke - as judged by D1 drivers, Koguchi, Bai, Yamamoto, and Komatsu.

Execution and Performance - This is perhaps the most subjective of the grading elements. Here, the overall presentation is graded highly...and that includes sheer visual excitement. Tire smoke, sounds, appeal of the car, attempts to do risky maneuvers...all count, but again with heavy deduction on mistakes by drivers or car failures.

As you can see, because DRIFT competitions are very much a spectator sport unlike the Drift Day practice sessions, rules must take the best combination of performers, cars, and charisma of the drivers alike.

It's how we move sponsorship dollars at stake with hosts and venues and creating a great visual spectacle from the art of drifting... Though it may seem very unrelated, still, the condition of the cars, colors and visual appeal, to make subjective grades very impressionable will help in winning the hearts of the judges provided that drivers have the same set of skills. I think this is totally fair too as that just means that that particular owner/driver spent just that much more time in preparing the cars for the event too. Creation of sheer visual excitement and appeal from talented judges and new spectators to the sport will likely most agree with such systems and that's how we rate them.

It's a freestyle sport like figure skating, skateboarding, or synchronized swimming. And that is where it differs from traditional racing, where winners are not just fast, but create an appealing show for all who watch the games.


Moto
Webmaster, Club4AG

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Är det nån som håller på med Drifting här i Svea?.....seriös asså.
Är själv mycket intresserad av Drifting men det känns som om jag har helt fel bil för det......iaf på sommaren

http://streetracing.tiora.net/japan/drift/drift1.htm

Lite mer info om drifting

Henrik E skrev:

http://streetracing.tiora.net/japan/drift/drift1.htm Lite mer info om drifting

Väldigt gammal sida och artikel det där, men ganska läsvärt...

Whitewheels skrev:

Är det nån som håller på med Drifting här i Svea?.....seriös asså. Är själv mycket intresserad av Drifting men det känns som om jag har helt fel bil för det......iaf på sommaren

Kika på svenska Dragoncars sida. Har inte adressen men den borde gå o hitta via google!